Wednesday, March 30, 2005

Response To A Sneering Progressive

Mail this out [CLICK RIGHT HERE] or mail the hyperlink to all your liberal and progressive friends while there's still time. (Can anyone get it onto the Kos or Usenet?) You may also want to include the link that precedes and prompts the tirade so they know what it's about. :)

Here's how it started: In response to the following article, Imagine Terri Were a Toaster ..., I had posted the following message:

Like all absurd arguments, it's based on an incorrect premise: that Terri Schiavo is a toaster that sentimental right-to-lifers are humanizing for their own delusional ends.

Perhaps I'd enjoy the wry humor in it on a different day, but you have to realize... [MORE]

It got the following reply:

Liberals for Terri? Your argument is absurd too.

What the author fails to realize is that if Terri has a soul, which is what most people believe, regardless if you're on Michael Shiavo's side or her parent's side - then there is something still there in the person's body whose wishes Michael wants to respect.

On the other hand - your argument is just ridiculous. This case has been in courts for so long, with experts declaring that she is a vegetable and all of her "reactions", movements, etc. are simply reflexes. This is science, not religion - and believe it or not, in science there are often things underneath what you can see just by using your senses. So it's great that you can see her react to certain stimuli and make noises like "AAAH WAAAAH" but that doesn't mean anything.

I sent this in reply. It's the link at the top of the article. It's basically a point-by-point refutation of the usual positions and a rant on the Liberals For Terri position in a nutshell.


Blogger Susan said...

Too bad you don't post on Democratic Underground, IF the moderators would allow you to do so.

It's a hole over there regarding Schiavo, with few people with any kind of sense. They've swallowed the MS claims hook, line, and sinker, mostly because they see taking on "his" side as a way to defeat the radical right.

Never mind justice or truth.

7:37 AM  
Anonymous Julie P. said...

RD, all I can say is you are awesome. I have everyone I know reading liberalsforterri, and I am going to send them that link, too. Everyone needs to know...

2:19 PM  
Blogger RD said...

Thanks. Have sent a request for an e-mail account - we'll see how long it takes ("I will ponder it for an eternity... jalan").

3:33 PM  
Blogger RD said...

To the DU, that is. And keep sending 'em - it ain't quite over yet. The last great hope - the one that's really already passed the point of no return - are the wheels of justice (not the blindfold of justice, evidently).

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Blogger Jill said...

RD -

Excellent work. Love the term 'Sneering Progressives'. Maybe you ought to do this for a living - defending people like Terri. I really think we're going to need it. I have just about given up hope on these 'sneering progressives' - they seem to be in PDS - Persistant Denial State. No matter how many times you lay the facts out before them - facts as plain as day - they seem to be morally blind. I've sort of memorized all the facts about Terri that I know - simply because I have to say them so often. Susan's right - the SPs only see this as a way to defeat the radical right. Really unbelievable.

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Blogger Maggie said...


this Catholic Australian conservative continues to think that you rock. Your response is absolutely brilliant.

BTW how many have noticed that most of the Schiavo supporters are men? (and this is a question coming from a non-feminist)

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